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Based
in Belfast and in Derry, respectively, artists who use
film and video, and film-makers who are moving into gallery
spaces talked with Declan Sheehan in Derry's Context Gallery
in late September 2003. Cut to:
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INT
MS Office
of Context Gallery. A messy space, full of stored art
work and office desks, books, filing cabinets. Five people
sit around a desk looking at a monitor showing a video.
TITLE SI
appears rising onto the scene and off into infinity.
TITLE
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...there were
film clubs and Super8mm splicers and a place for experimental
film on late-night TV...
VO (male)
But today... has experimental film had its day, and been
confined to the archive of once-upon-a-time archaic
technologies and artforms, like cartes-de-visite, stereo
photographs, and those string-drawings from the 1970s?
Have film clubs been damned to past? Have 16mm, Super8mm,
Kenneth Anger, Jonas Mekas, Stan Brakhage, Maya Deren,
& The Kuchar Brothers been deemed irrelevant? How
do emerging artists and filmmakers see this past,
and how do they use film and video in the gallery, or
in the screening room? Several young artists and filmmakers
met at the Context Gallery in September 2003 and discussed
their influences, resources, and practice.
KERRY PLUMMER looks at the monitor screen. The attention
of the others follows her gaze. On the monitor screen
are two adjacent EXTREME CLOSE UPS (ECU) of the lips of
two talking women.
KERRY PLUMMER
I used this for my MA show last year. It's the culmination
of a study on the Nature/Nurture debate. I'm using twins
as they're used in experiments to study environmental
changes - and I've also a real interest in twins because
they're fascinating. The first set you see onscreen are
people I've grown up with. I know their idiosyncrasies,
they live out of each other's pockets.
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Blank
Slate 1 on monitor, showing two screens with ECU of
lips answering questions from offscreen. There then appears
a second set of ECU of two lips on two screens, Blank
Slate 2.
KERRY PLUMMER (vo)
This other set of twins, although they're completely identical,
by comparison they have completely different lives now.
One has a family and husband, the other is waitressing
and travelling.
DECLAN SHEEHAN (vo)
And this was set up as an installation?
KERRY PLUMMER (vo)
Yeah, this was projected onto a wall, 14ft high and formed
a strip at eye level filling the width of the wall. I
had thought of going backwards and forwards between their
two voices, but then thought, I'll overlap them and see
how it sounds. It was really melodic because their voices
are so identical. When it's projected as an installation,
you can focus your hearing between the screens and speakers.
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INT Office. The focus of the group changes to JOHN MATTHEWS,
as his piece "Tonight, let's get lost" begins playing
on the monitor screen.
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"Tonight,
let's get lost" on monitor. A series of predominantly
black-and-white images of nighttime and lone characters
in the city, with an edgy electronic soundtrack and a
poetic voiceover with an Eastern European female voice
recounting thoughts and observations on the night and
loneliness in the city.
DECLAN SHEEHAN (vo)
So, John, this is the second long video piece you've made.
JOHN MATTHEWS (vo)
Yeah the first video piece Twist, Tail, Burn was
about twenty minutes and designed more as an installation,
with the video projection and 150 slides on two carousels,
which I'd spent a year making, featuring kind of static
images in an urban environment. This piece, Tonight,
let's get lost, features more movement. I was commissioned
by Fullyformed Arts to make a work based on The Golden
Mile in Belfast. I chose to shoot quite a lot at night,
was very attracted to the area being commercial by day
and chaotic at night, a very different environment. I'm
drawn to the noir aspect of cities. This piece
features extremes of light, it's dark, sinister. The musician
Steven Dickie did the edgy electronic, synthy soundtrack.
DS
(vo)
Was this
screened as a film, which the audience sat and watched,
or as an installation?
JM (vo)
For the opening,
I screened it with a PA and screen on the roof of Queen
Street Studios at dusk, as the sun was going down there
was half an hour when you could see the film but also
see the area it was based around, as the natural light
was fading and the city lights coming up. So it was very
much that the backdrop was part of it. But for the duration,
and in terms of distribution, it's a film to be screened.
In the exhibition I also had twenty-five photographs,
from the shoot. The piece is very much a succession of
micro-narratives. These black-and-white photographs onscreen
now are old vaudeville photographs from the 1930s and
1940s, cabaret acts, contortionists, and jugglers. These
photographs are in The Kitchen Bar in Belfast, which was
next to the old Empire Music Hall. It's very much the
ghost of entertainment. At one time, The Golden Mile would
have been full of these venues, and then cinema took over,
and now contemporary club/disco culture has taken over.
So this is very much, the ghost of Saturday night.
VINCENT O'CALLAGHAN (vo)
And cinema
would have been part of vaudeville to start with.
JM (vo)
Yeah, they
would have just put up a screen between the acts.
A lot of
this film, Twist, trail, burn, is made up of people
looking at reflections, mirrors, and dark windows of abandoned
shopping arcades at night, which would have been busy
during the day. I'm drawn to the idea of psychogeography,
using the ambience of the space to heighten aspects of
the imagery. Turning areas which are commercial by the
day into something sinister, by use of spotlights, small
gestures into camera, turning people's perception of spaces
around. Creating micro-narratives, like this scene of
the weeping girl in the phone box at night. The narrative
of the whole piece is made up of elements like that, acting
in whole as a stream of consciousness. I like to use that
film tradition of creating atmosphere through lighting,
there's a tendency now to use action or very fast in-your-face
editing. I like to get back to creating an atmosphere
through film.
KP (vo)
Do you have
a plan of what to shoot, or an idea of how the piece will
look in the end?
JM (vo)
I would do
shot lists and plans of lighting scenarios - but normally
the location dictates what it's going to be. You have
a basic structure but it inevitably changes. I like using
advanced lighting set-ups, and I've started using theatre
spot-lamps to highlight faces, and before now, I'd use
torches or car lamps. For this shoot, I needed a lot more
actors and assistants.
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MS Office
of Context Gallery. The five people now sit around a desk
regarding each other, and the discussion is widened.
DS
So where
did you all start from - foundation art? - film studies?
JM
In Dundee
I did a course on Time Based Art, giving me a technical
background, and then came back to Belfast and made a 3-minute
short film, Falling.
DS
Why did you
go down that route instead of the film-school route?
JM
There seemed
to be more freedom in terms of what I could do. I don't
generally work with scripts, I mostly work with voiceovers,
because I like the way people have used them in the past
- people like Terence Malick, the way he would create
using landscape, combined with voiceover and minimal music.
Or even the way voiceovers were used in Film Noir.
DS
In art college,
is there a pressure to move away from film?
JM
Well, from
an equipment point of view, it was difficult. I ended
up shooting Super8mm and being quite low-tech.
DS
And Kerry,
were you committed to working with video from the start?
KP
No, I started
at college doing sculptural work and installation. It
was in my final year that I worked on video for the first
time, and then all throughout my Masters I was working
solely with video. Before video, I was using a lot of
materials that just weren't saying enough or doing enough.
For example, I had been making sculptures with vines and
ivy leaves, and then had the idea of going into a forest
and start filming, which led on to other ideas and I got
hooked. No other material really said enough for me after
that.
DS
And Vincent,
you went to Film School.
VOC
Well before
that I did still-life painting for a year. Then I did
photography and video in Foundation. I always knew I'd
go on to do film and video. After the Foundation I went
straight to a Film and Video degree. With regard to the
painting, I'd known that key cinematographers were often
referencing painters, so that was part of just wanting
to paint for a year, alongside not wanting to rush straight
into video, getting a different experience.
OTTO VON SCHLINDHEIN
I started
with computing and design, with an interest in the moving
image, doing short narratives in design, but knowing that
I'd move into video. Once I started working with Vincent
I moved into video.
DS
And now you
both collaborate, with the painter Damien Duffy?
OVS
Yeah, over
the past two years Vincent and I have been making documentaries;
From Bogside to Brooklyn, on a band from New York who
are involved in Irish politics and a Hip-Hop crew in Derry.
We got a Commedia Millenmium award to produce that. And
now we're working with recent material we've shot in New
York. But they've been documentaries focusing on the visual,
moving away from interviews. And we had an idea of moving
that work into the gallery, as it's so much about the
image, not talking heads.
VOC
And this
year I've done a low-budget short, Stinger, with money
from the NIFC. I was co-director and camera. I chose not
to use any high-end equipment available, but to use the
PD 150 dv camera, not because of any nostalgia, or lo-fi
trend, but I suppose because of my experience of making
documentaries, and that kind of imagery and style. I really
like the look it gives. I think there's a more cinematic
quality achieved.
DS
John and
Kerry, what about your resources?
JM
Two years
ago I got an ACNI grant to purchase my own DV equipment.
Before that I was using Super8mm and VHS. Moving to digital
made it all more affordable and easier to work. But most
of my work would be self-funded, with the occasional equipment
grant.
DS
Was there
Super8mm equipment in the college?
JM
No, all the
Super8mm was my own. At college, it's up to you to source
equipment; 'cause the college equipment is shared between
so many people.
KP
Yeah, the
demand really outweighs the supply. I used my grant and
scrimped and saved to buy my own camera, and a computer
to edit. I hated being dependent, waiting on college equipment,
and it wasted so much time.
DS
It seems
that Belfast has a culture of emerging lo-fi, DIY film/video,
both as productions and as screenings.
JM
Yeah, there
is a kind of video karma, with people helping each other.
Groups like Cinilingus are crucial in promoting experimental
film. They give a real service that's not provided by
the galleries. And they're also involved in the Belfast
Film Festival.
DS
Is there
any crossover between the Northern Ireland Film Commission
and artists using film, between that kind of funded short
film and artists. I'm not aware of any.
JM
That's one
of the problems with college, you're not really shown
any of the opportunities for support and funds that exist.
KP
There's no
kind of career guidance.
DS
Because it
requires a major financial investment, for equipment alone,
if as an artist you choose the medium of film and video.
JM
Yeah, you
can come out of college and then just be left. I have
a studio, there's lots of painters there, so I use the
studio mainly as a networking place, and I can use the
computer there.
DS
I think the
Darklight Festival in Dublin gives a good model of a crossover
project and resource between new media, film, video, and
emerging artists. This is the first year the Context Gallery
will be involved in the Foyle Film Festival, which should
have been happening long ago.
To think
about college again, and there is an interesting mix of
backgrounds here for this question, are you given any
education in experimental film - the likes of Kenneth
Anger, Jonas Mekas, Stan Brakhage, Maya Deren?
JM
Not at all
in art college.
VOC
In film school,
yeah.
JM
In college
it's even difficult to see each other's film or video
work. I had to set up a few nights at the OMAC as screenings
of people's college work.
KP
In that same
vein, the college would buy some of the degree show work
for its own collection, and they'd never bought video
work before they bought a piece of mine this year. But
they've no way of permanently showing it. The other work
could be hung on the walls. But my DVD will be lying at
the bottom of someone's in tray.
DS
Is film too
expensive to use?
JM
Way too expensive.
I was offered a reasonably priced 16mm Rolliflex camera,
but the film stock would have cost me more than the camera.
That's why I'm still using Super8mm. Because there is
still a wide aesthetic difference between film and video.
DS
There are
examples of a crossover between film and the gallery.
Neil Jordan donated his Beckett film Not I, although it
was made as a film for cinemas, to IMMA as part of their
permanent collection.
Going back
to the talk on film and video as media, I've always had
the feeling that there will always be more of a craft
to filmmaking than to using dv. You cannot lift a 16mm
camera, hit a button and be sure of what you're getting,
whereas with dv you can. Although I've noticed that people
are now more involved in exploring the craft of video,
manipulating exposure, aperture, making it richer. Vinny,
and Otto, that seems to be the avenue your work is taking
with the painter Damien Duffy.
VOC
Yeah, when
Dogme95 appeared, it became frustrating that new media
and dv seemed they always had to be linked to a quirky
hand-held style.
DS
Yeah, using
dv as a medium doesn't mean you necessarily have to adopt
a shoot from the hip aesthetic.
JM
I think if
you apply filmic aesthetics to video, it can be done quite
well. But, sure, it would be great working in 16mm, aesthetically
it's such a different result, you're basically taking
thousands of photographs. Video's got a lot of catching
up to do.
DS
There seems
to be an instant hit from using video. You hit record
and you immediately have a result.
VOC
But Kerry's
work, although it uses video, is very structured, very
cinematic. I don't think that it's right to always associate
dv with running around, making hand-held jumpy images.
But I'm sure there was the same debate when portable 16mm
film cameras first appeared.
DS
And I think
John's work is at a real crossover point, it could go
in the direction of film, being screened in a cinema,
or in the direction of the gallery installation.
VOC
But with
regard to those divisions, in any case, I'm sure there
are people doing Flash movies on the net, getting a major
audience and doing great work. If we're looking at new
media, then it all opens out; it asks the question - what
is film?
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Declan
Sheehan is Director of the Context Gallery.